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Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby marspball » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:48 am

The VGC Board of Directors unanimously voted at the November Board of Directors Meeting to rescind the reciprocal agreement with other clubs.

Effective immediately, all non-members must purchase a day pass and pay the non-members price to use our club facilities.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby SteelyDan » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:46 pm

Could the President or one of the Directors please share the reason or reasons why they have cancelled this agreement.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby bennyowen857 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:29 pm

Yes that's it we need to know why and how this agreement has to come and when shall be implemented?

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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby Top Gun » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:42 pm

It is all about "Supporting the Organizations" that are important to YOU.

VGC is a "non profit registered society" and is "Member Driven" and SOLELY financially dependent on Membership Sales, Renewals and Day Pass revenues. Without these revenues, the club would not be capable of maintaining or improving the existing facilities.

The three previously designated reciprocal clubs, do not provide, on a reciprocal basis, Sporting Clay, Bunker, 5 Stand or International skeet. These venues are extremely expensive to capitalize and to maintain at the "World Class" level available to the public. VGC is the only Lower Mainland club that can provide a full service 6 discipline facility and has on several occasions hosted National and Internationally recognized Shooting events.

The previous reciprocal arrangement was specific to Trap and Skeet but unfortunately it was being abused and on several occasions, Non VGC Members, who had purchased lower cost Memberships at the reciprocal clubs, frequently used the VGC facilities, and were allowed to purchase VGC Member discount shooting cards.

VGC was providing the services, but was not receiving the Membership revenue. Non Members were shooting at the same costs as VGC Members so the question became, "why purchase a VGC Membership when I can buy one for 50% of the cost and have the benefits of the VGC club and all the facilities?).

Reality is, that is not how it works and in order for a club like VGC to exist, Members MUST financially support and provide volunteer services. This allows VGC to maintain the facilities and provide a high level of service and MOST important "subsidize shooting costs". VGC cannot continue to provide a "subsidized cost plan" to Non Members.

If VGC was a private entity the costs of shooting and the Membership costs would be double, check out some of the private club costs in Alberta and the USA. The rise in the US dollar has caused the cost of targets and equipment and taxes to increase by 35%. The club has absorbed the costs to the Members. A private club would charge .50 cents a target, versus VGC .25 cents. No one at VGC is getting paid except the Trap kids.

VGC is dependent on the current and active "Volunteer Group" to provide a quality experience. Members must financially support the club and or volunteer their time and services so VGC can continue to subsidize the ongoing facility costs.

GET INVOLVED AND VOLUNTEER or at least BUY A MEMBERSHIP and be part of the SUPPORT GROUP if you want this club to stay open.!!!!!
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other

Postby Flinch » Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:41 pm

KUDOS to the Board for beginning the process of making the club exclusive to those who support it fiscally and by way of volunteerism.

We've a long way to g and this is a great start.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby marspball » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:18 pm

As the treasurer of the club and a member of the Board of Directors, I will try to explain the reasoning of the decision that was made by the Board.

This year alone, the Vancouver Gun Club spent $90,000 for venue upgrades and equipment purchase. And in the previous year, we spent $50,000 to upgrade the skeet field and the year before that; the 5-stand building was built at a cost of $60,000. That is $200,000 of spending in the past 3 years alone. And this was made possible through the generous donations from various supporters, membership dues, day pass fees and target fees.

Our members contribute to this overall cost by paying the membership fee, fundraising, and donating their time to keep the club operating. The non-members contribute by paying the day pass fee and non-subsidized target fee every time they visit the club. We can no longer honour the reciprocal agreement as this practice is not fair to both our paying members and the non-members.

As such, a motion was introduced at the last Board of Directors meeting to cancel the reciprocal agreement effective immediately. The attending members voted unanimously in favour of this motion.

If you regularly use the reciprocal benefit in the past and enjoy shooting at VGC, please help support our club by purchasing a membership.

If you still have questions about this decision, please post them in this forum and I will gladly give an answer.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby SteelyDan » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:41 pm

Thank you for your prompt and succinct response to my question.

I suppose that all that VGC will lose now, are the trap and skeet rounds that would have been shot by shooters from the other Lower Mainland Clubs that were members to the reciprocal agreement. How many targets would that be? Several hundred (thousand) at $8.00 per round? Certainly a loss of one revenue stream.


Will VGC lose any current members to clubs offering lower priced membership costs? I hope not.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby Flinch » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:02 am

I'd suspect we'll actually see increases in membership, club spirit and profitability.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby Top Gun » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:27 pm

SD

Non Members are shooting "hundreds of thousands of targets" at 8 dollars? That is incorrect.

Your profile indicates you are a "Sporting Clay Shooter" Just for clarification purposes, Sporting Clay and Bunker was never part of the previous reciprocal arrangement so I am assuming you are a VGC Member in Good Standing and therefore you understand the benefits of the subsidized dollar round and not having to pay the $20 dollar Day Pass.

Comparable Sporting Clay or 5 Stand facilities are in Alberta or Washington State and charge considerably more for Memberships and shooting rounds. The closest International Bunker facility is in Eastern Canada. That is a long and expensive flight.....

With the US dollar rise and the current cost of targets having increased by 35%, the reality is the club is realizing a very small net on target sales.

In addition to the shrinkage of 30%, the lower cost Skeet and Trap venues at $6.26 per round and the Bunker $7 dollar round venues are being subsidized by the higher price Sporting Clay and 5 Stand at $8 dollars a round. Sporting Clay with 5 Stand is the largest dollar revenue contributor , due to the higher volume and higher prices per round.

Hope this helps to clarify a necessary financial club decision.
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Re: Cancellation of Reciprocal Agreement with Other Clubs

Postby marspball » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:57 pm

We checked our point of sale system and during the period Nov 2014 - Oct 2015, the reciprocal agreement for trap and skeet only generated $2,500 for that one year period. The cancellation of the reciprocal pricing does not affect our members in any way other than they may not be able to get day pass exemption from Langley, Pitt Meadows, and Mission. But as Vancouver Gun Club is the closest club to the city core, I don't think this is an issue for our members. Therefore the board does not foresee our members switching to other clubs because of this decision.

As for the increase in membership fee and target fees, there are no such plan in the horizon. I feel that our current pricing structure is fair and will generate enough revenue to keep the club operating and build up reserve funds for future upgrades and upkeep.
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